so it was fun. >> we learned a lot about carolyn. i know people used this phrase, oh, she was misunderstood. in reading the book, you really had the idea that maybe people didn't know as well as they thought they did? >> yeah, i don't know misunderstood, i think because she was so private people put their own assumptions on her. i think because of the fact it was john, america's most famous bachelor. she was a little bit of a target for people, you know. they didn't want him -- they wanted him to be there, so carolyn bore the brunt of that, i think. >> also bore the brunt of -- you said he had a great sense of humor but didn't seem to be at sometimes very sensitive to -- >> i think for john, his way of going about it was just get on with it. >> yeah. >> i think he felt because he really couldn't protect her from it, he'd rather not, you know, address it. so in some ways i think he was just being a guy and it was his way of saying oh, there are more important things to worry about. >> he handled so extremely well. i'm sure he wanted t